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[~2006.25~]
| deadline to enter maps: 2006, 06, 17 (Year, month, day) |
| Here we go again :) |
Comments:
| trcc |
| Inept, why do you add your maps when you are alreeady 25252% sure its not motw worthy? ;| |
| lnept |
| and again, why do you single me out lol? Lightning is not MOTW worthy either so stop singling me out rofl. |
| lnept |
| actually lightning is pretty interesting so i take that back. anyways, what do you see as "MOTW worthy" and why do you care? |
| MillenniumArmy |
| Added Northern Keep cause I felt like it :) |
| Arden(WoF) |
| If it's not MOTW worthy, then just don't vote for it =/. |
| lnept |
| yea i mean seriously trcc...you have been giving me shit since i came here. whats your problem? |
| flow |
| i think you and your attitude are the problem to most people here. but surely, this isnt true at all, and you dont wanna hear it because we're all just haters who dont acknowledge you being superior... |
| LaO-Artanis |
| Wow, didn't even have to add lightning, someone already did it for me :P 1) Lightning 2) Northern Keep 3) Unholy gods II for now. I reserve the right to change my opinion! |
| ScoutWBF |
| voting you own map is cheap.also it doesn't do anything because everybody votes his own map -_- |
| lnept |
| lol the only people that have a problem is you and trcc you realize that flo? ive talked elsewhere with people on this site, and they you are the asshole, not I. |
| lnept |
| but i mean if having my map up there bothers you that much that you HAVE to take it down, by all means do so |
| MillenniumArmy |
| Why dont you people just shut up? Here's my vote so far: - Northern Keep (Yes it's mine, but I am actually really proud of this map) - geisterfahrer - Origo Hills (yes it's an old map, but still) |
| Arden(WoF) |
| - Geisterfahrer - Northern Keep - Origo Hills I don't especially like any of the maps this week, but if I had to chose, this would be the order. |
| lnept |
| bunker 44 unholy gods electrical sector in that order |
| NastyMarine |
| 1.Mother Love (bias and reps show good gameplay) 2.Northern Keep (sexy map.. i would make it my first choice if there were reps :D) 3.geisterfahrer0.1 (absolutely love the layout and the sexxxiness is pulsating out of it :D) origo hills really doesnt grab my attention.. very small chokes.. the islands (w/ bridges) arent placed right(mainly 6) and some sides of them cant be defended well as others.. unholy gods wuld get a vote but the area by the nat is too cramped. electrical sector would get a vote if it just looked better (sorry lnept -_-) odyno ... sry lnept lol lightning .. not enuff gas.. even for the concept of the map.. theres just not enough. bunker 44 .. too experimental lemuria devils .. cool map but the positional balances are noticable :) |
| NastyMarine |
| 8 Northern Keep 8 geisterfahrer |
| MillenniumArmy |
| 9 Northern Keep 6 geisterfahrer :P |
| flow |
| no way with northern keep. geisterfahrer is very interesting. i dont like inbase expos, but the overall map seems to be very cool. |
| LaO-Artanis |
| "voting you own map is cheap.also it doesn't do anything because everybody votes his own map -_-" Perhaps, but I believe my map should have a bit more attention as it is a lot more experimental than a lot of maps, whilst still retaining some form of balance (at least, no obvious imbalances have been shown yet.) "lightning .. not enuff gas.. even for the concept of the map.. theres just not enough." Haven't had a problem with this yet, and I've seen a longgame TvZ already. |
| ScoutWBF |
| we need some new maps seriously.Those maps that are half a year old and now are submited to MotW shouldn't get MotW.We need new maps gogo! |
| Arden(WoF) |
| The two maps in contention are both new =/. |
| lnept |
| none of the maps in contention right now will get good feedback except holy gods. As stupid as it sounds i see idiots saying gheisterfarer ROV clone LOLCAkE Northern keep - WTf NOTHING NEW SO STANDARD , stupid MOTW -.- |
| NastyMarine |
| "none of the maps in contention right now will get good feedback except holy gods." huh? lol.. I got no idea wat ur saying here |
| LGI |
| 1. (2)geisterfahrer0.1 2. (4)Origo_Hills 3. (2)Mother Love |
| lnept |
| i just explained it.. by feedback i mean gaming communities who don't know anything about mapping |
| NastyMarine |
| well how can u say only say that one map wuld get feedback? Mother Love, geisterfahrer, Northern Keep would all get great feedback if u jus promote them etc. |
| MillenniumArmy |
| I really don't get what's wrong about my map. If you guys can tell me what's wrong with it, please do so now. |
| flow |
| i could, but this is exactly the point why i only visit motw-thread now. i dont want to be the single asshole having to make the effort everytime. the effort to explain why a map doesnt work, or - like in this case - is only average in gameplay. back then, in the old times (for me), most people just saw it or, if you mentioned it, they thought about it and got it. today, if i say it, nobody sees it or is even willing to see it. i dont say i am superior, but people arent critics to themselves nowadays here. with a short neutral look, you instantly get some points clearly screwing northern keep. -naturals promote turtle/FE-style -horizontal positions are SO tight, and while pushing, T even gets a free gasexpo. -minonlies block paths and probably fuck up unit movement -PATHING ON HORIZONTAL POS _MAY_ BE SCREWED. did you test? -minonly is too safe, with this tight bridge. and esp. terran can cover it from above -the center is too large. remark i dont say too open, but too large. it is too open for my taste, though. the overall map is standard, or more below average. the cool look seems to cover this for most people voting for it in this motw-thread :[ |
| MillenniumArmy |
| Finally, thank you for pointing these out, but just so you know, pathing is NOT screwed up. I tested it already; I always test things especially if they are extremely crucial. They go through the wide bridges all the time. And in my very first post, I did ask for people's opinions on whether the minonlies as well as the pathways are too tight or not in my mapthread. I personally thought it was tight, but I wanted confirmation from people (particularly knowledgeable people like yourself.) But nobody responded. Other people seem to always get their responses in the mapthreads, why don't I? Even a simple yes or no would do so. =/ |
| NastyMarine |
| "-naturals promote turtle/FE-style -horizontal positions are SO tight, and while pushing, T even gets a free gasexpo. -minonlies block paths and probably fuck up unit movement -PATHING ON HORIZONTAL POS _MAY_ BE SCREWED. did you test? -minonly is too safe, with this tight bridge. and esp. terran can cover it from above" maybe.. this goes back to what i was saying in the other threads.. we really need to go to the reps to solve these assumptions.. so i'd just like to see some reps for these T-crafings "-the center is too large. remark i dont say too open, but too large. it is too open for my taste, though. the overall map is standard, or more below average. the cool look seems to cover this for most people voting for it in this motw-thread :[" that quite possibly can be true but i think u may be over dramatizing it -_- so yea these ideas quite possibly could be true but reps really shuld be the base decision of these ideas |
| lnept |
| i can play tonite, any1 wanna test northern keep? |
| NastyMarine |
| what time? i can be on at any time |
| lnept |
| like....half an hour 9 eastern. |
| yenku |
| OrigoHills- Fantastic Geisterfahrer- I dont see maps pumped out by noname, but when they come out, i know theyre worth it. Mother Love- Looks well balanced and pretty straight forward. gl all. oh, and chill out, your nerd fights dont get you anywhere. |
| MillenniumArmy |
| btw I uploaded a replay of Northern Keep. |
| SynDrome |
| "electrical sector would get a vote if it just looked better (sorry lnept -_-)" wow your really sad. as if looking better woud make any diference. |
| SynDrome |
| I vote for Mother Love, I think its a fun map. |
| NastyMarine |
| "wow your really sad. as if looking better woud make any diference" if ur trying to promote it, yes it does make a difference.. at this stage, its not in any way presenatable for motw.. thus meaning the quality of the map is just not up to par... the layout is quite unique, but there is exactly no motivation to play it b/c of its look... the point is, is that it could look alot better, which is a bonus in anyones' book... look at trcc's and sp's maps.. what seperates there's from others? the attention for detail, the creativity of the terrain.. minus those things and u have a realitively common map that culd be made by lnepts ideas towards maps.. i think i've mentioned this to lnept: if u wuld jus make it more appealing, ppl will fall for his maps.. its that simple |
| flow |
| nasty, please. of course you need replays when it comes to very experimental maps. but you dont need them to prove points like mine on your map. the more standard a map is, the more one can apply issues of other maps. just take the minonly, which is - after me - securable for terran from above. have you ever tried kicking a terran minonly on 12h LT? even if you can kill it in PvT, 3tanks and 2turrets above it on the maincliff deal heavy damage and losses to you, unequal and unfair high damage. you dont need replays for this, why would you? same goes for the HUGE center. or for the naturals being very easy to secure. you can easily judge their effects on gameplay by experience as mapper and gamer. the tricky thing i tried to tell you is that, if northern keep was my map, i had never published it in a state like this/in the current state. i wouldnt have uploaded it here, until i am able to come up with a solution to all the points i mentioned above. i would have changed all bad aspects if anyhow possible before even thinking of uploading it. this is what makes you a real good mapper- never be satisfied. the thought "aw, it is not perfect, but it will work" is killing any progress. i can recall an incident where trcc uploaded a actually interesting and cool map - but he took it out since he was not able to get a decent positional balancing. this is what needs to be done: no flaws. and publishing a map even though you know it has flaws is incapacity (very experimental maps that are kinds of "studies" may be excluded in my eyes). no matter what you produce in life, without being your own meanest critic, you wont get far. this is exactly what i am missing in this "new" generation of mappers...i tell you obvious flaws, but you stick to your version until you have replays proving it. and even with reps i guess, you'll say "it is not too bad". sure, if it is not too bad, it works out, but your question should be "how could i improve it, so it doesnt just "work". you wanted me in my thread (where my long statement is still missing, but i will write it) that i tell you what is going on my nerves and what i think, because i am "older school". not to tell you as teacher, but as one who is here since a short while after the launch of this site. and here you are. it may sound cruel and it surely sounds arrogant, but you know i am this way when i really try to change something. i dont want any bad, i just want to open eyes, what in _my_ eyes is necessary. to lnepts electrical sector: it also has flaws, i already named a few but he didnt change. he didnt even care to change the picture to a better one so you can see things more clearly. as he is not willing to change or improve, his maps are lost anyway. |
| lnept |
| im not going to change it off one opinion. You still havent told me what your trying to "See better." i know you stated flaws, and i still havent figured out a way to balance it. Forgive me for my stupidity. |
| NastyMarine |
| "nasty, please. of course you need replays when it comes to very experimental maps. but you dont need them to prove points like mine on your map. the more standard a map is, the more one can apply issues of other maps. just take the minonly, which is - after me - securable for terran from above. have you ever tried kicking a terran minonly on 12h LT? even if you can kill it in PvT, 3tanks and 2turrets above it on the maincliff deal heavy damage and losses to you, unequal and unfair high damage. you dont need replays for this, why would you? same goes for the HUGE center. or for the naturals being very easy to secure. you can easily judge their effects on gameplay by experience as mapper and gamer." of course i know this. i have nothing to argue about.. but at the same time, dont we want those new ideas in the community to bring new fun into the game? Im not saying put a bunch of imbas in a map so that they can balance themselves out (with huge center for pvt, and cliffs for tvp) but the way you and the 'old schoolers' want it, we'll be making the same damn maps soon and we need these kind of ideas to shed new light on the community. And your right about the the cliffing thing (experiance can tell you right or wrong), but you also gotta take into consideration that some things may balance it off or not.. Have you ever watched the reps i put on for Mother Love? Or even the reps on Beloved Land? I mean i know BL is as experimental as they come, but those reps show that some things that u say b/c of ur experience as a mapper arent always true.. thats why we shuld wait for reps.. which i am doing. Which isnt wrong. ur approach isnt wrong either but they way u are approaching it, we'll all have standard layouts etc that can only go on for so long.. and with standard layouts, how will we ever get noticed? |
| FLOW |
| nonsense =/= originality. you are really messing those two things up right now. if i make the natural in a place so it interferes with unit pathing, well, i know this, but the argument "fresh and different" isnt really counting either. |
| NastyMarine |
| of coures where do u see a werid nat with bad path finding? |
| flow |
| it was an example showing your attitude. obviously you agree a bad placed nat is NOT original and fresh but annoying. so why do you stick to the tight passages, to the bad placed minonly, to the HUGE center? well, who cares. keep your map as it is. this is exactly why i stopped commenting maps. no one wants help or improvements, so no one gets either of them from me. be sure this is also the last time i comment a map in the motw thread. i will just post votes from now on. |
| MillenniumArmy |
| I wanted help and improvement :P |
| NastyMarine |
| flo, did u kno that there are side passages to mother love? u dont hafta take the bridge? why dont u play the fuckin please .. play a few games on it and then tell me OK? |
| NastyMarine |
| fuckin' map pleast* |
| NastyMarine |
| please* |
| Antares |
| 1 unholy gods 1 geisterfahrer 1 origo hills i cant decide among these three |
| flow |
| 1. unholy gods 2. geisterfahrer 3. origo hills |
| Arden(WoF) |
| How should we count a vote like Antares', 1 point for each map, or completely void? |
| Antares |
| well i make your job easier Arden ;) if i must set up a ranking 1 geisterfahrer 2 origo hills 3 unholy gods this would be perhaps |
| flo |
| geisterfahrer clearly geister 25 votes, origo 21, northern//unholy 7 each great map. i would change some things slightly, but that'd be personal. great map gogo |
| SynDrome |
| gg no re |
| Arden(WoF) |
| Good decision. |
| Arden(WoF) |
| Noname, could you update the pic before the post? The right mineral bloackade looks like a higher value than the left. |
| Arden(WoF) |
| blockade* |
| yenku |
| geisterfaher has 16 origo has 10 northern has 9 thats from what i count though, i dont know how you got that flo. |
| epidiOn |
| Guys I'm really really sorry about the lack of posts on GG.net about the MotW's, really. I've just been sick for a little over two weeks, and I've been working a lot. Promise I'll do them soon. |
| LGI |
| Well, actually there is a map making team in gg.net and i think we can also do this job, but as far as i know we should show the first view of the post to you. Am i right? And then post it. |
| decafchicken |
| 1 geisterfahrer 2 mother love |
| epidiOn |
| LGI sounds good to me if you want to write it, I'll proofread it. But I'll try to get these done today. |
| Arden(WoF) |
| Somebody Gonna write this up? I can't do it this week because I'm moving... |
| LGI |
| We are all lazy :) |
| epidiOn |
| Haha how are we still able to submit maps to the contest if it was from last week and the deadline was four days ago? |
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